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well you're writing some pretty

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incredible stuff so let's get into it I

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love the headlines I think maybe we

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should allow some of the headlines to

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drive the interview such as how the CIA

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Mossad and the Epstein Network are

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exploiting mass shootings to create an

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Orwellian nightmare are you writing your

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own headlines yeah most of the time yeah

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but that's sort of a spin off of the

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Epstein series we can start there if you

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want it's it's sort of about well it's

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mainly about you know is really military

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intelligence Jeffrey Epstein's

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involvement and in funding a company

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with a cute Barak and Peter Thiel of

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Palantir I mean some other companies

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that are sort of dovetailing and that

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same sort of a marketing campaign based

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around mass shootings trying this

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they're sort of them I would say

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exploiting the climate of fear around

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mass shootings as a way to sort of push

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through their technological solutions to

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gun control they claim that by

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implementing technological solutions you

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can go beyond the partisan gridlock in

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Capitol Hill and sort of you know do

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something in response to these events

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but basically you know their their

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business model is based on you know

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increased fear among the American public

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and more mass shootings taking place

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which is quite disturbing and when you

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start to look into what these companies

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are you know involved in and how their

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software really works I mean it's a lot

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of it is braced based on pre-crime and

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it is very or weally and involves

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extracting a lot of data without your

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permission storing it and and analyzing

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it with artificial intelligence and a

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lot of this um you know we sort of seen

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really promote these sort of

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technological solutions as his sort of

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response saying you know after El Paso

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he said it's time for you know Silicon

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before they strike based on what they

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say on social media and things like that

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so profiling people based on what their

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things they post on social media in

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private or in public let's stay on that

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for a second because I think it's

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interesting and then we'll get to you

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know Epstein's connection with Mossad

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because that ties in with our martin

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dillon conversation where he says that

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robert maxwell absolutely positively was

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working with Mossad and it raised the

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question whether whether Epstein was or

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not but I am interested about this

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technology and detecting mass shooters I

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mean certainly almost all of them had

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some type of social media footprint that

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in retrospect looked kind of bizarre so

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what does this technology do is it

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simply looking at public social media

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postings or is it look at something now

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it's pretty much it's like a dragnet

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basically so like the company that

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Epstein was funding with a huge Barak

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called carbine 9-1-1 and what carbine

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that connects to 911 call centers and

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smartphone app of carbon a11 on your

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phone or if you just even call any

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device that has this carbine network on

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future so it it it it would require a

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warrant then theoretically in the u.s.

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to utilize in in theory well they make

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they claim that they're using it for

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emergency response purposes only but it

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connections if you look at who's funding

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of involvement with pre-crime it's been

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larger cities as a way of predicting who

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happened in New Orleans for example and

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former head of Homeland Security whose

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mother worked for the Mossad at one

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point so we so we all want to we all

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want to stop crime and we all want to

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stop mass shootings we also have a

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constitution in the u.s. that you know

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of this overreaches in its attempts to

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provide us safe the courts are it's not

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set that up is it's a soap what do you

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see as sinister about this I understand

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goes too far in trying to find criminals

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unconstitutional but other than that

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intelligence unit that has a long

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people among other things and has a lot

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history of this sort of thing or Amdocs

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there's a big connection you expose and

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world and it was sold as many as 80

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intelligence agencies and a lot of banks

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agencies a window into all these

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secretive databases where it was

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of interests and it's also interesting

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changed policy from that they've shifted

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operations that used to be done in-house

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intelligence companies by agents that

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privatized Mossad that was created at

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the behest of the Mossad in order to be

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hood Barak he was very deeply tied to

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involvement and this project secured um

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intelligence and is also a former Prime

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considering what carbine nine-one-one is

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capable of just looking at it from the

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company he chose to use a company that

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was filed as a data mining company to

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invest in carbine nine-one-one which

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suggests that there that he knew and he

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knew in advance that there was some sort

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of data mining component to be to be had

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in this supposed emergency response

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software so we should basically assume

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significant company in Israel especially

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that has former government officials

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working at the company is actually tied

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single piece of software that comes out

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of Israel is compromised but I would say

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that there is a concerted effort that

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that are connected and still that's the

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openly admit basically to blurring the

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line between israel's intelligence

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apparatus and its commercial activity

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foreign companies as a way to prove make

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israel a global cyber power that's what

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just buying on the US alright no not at

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all i mean recently there was the case

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of the sting rate of these devices

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around the white house for example that

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were believed to have been placed by

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israeli officials i think that was just

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a few weeks ago and that story has been

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kind of memory hold and we also know

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that Netanyahu for example when he was

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Prime Minister the first time in the

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late 90s was the first one of the first

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people to obtain phone logs I'm

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recording basically what was phone sex

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between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky

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and attempted to use that as leverage

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over Bill Clinton and this was back in

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like 1998 and that was because Amdocs

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the company image earlier had been

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contracted by Bell Atlantic to reinstall

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all the phone lines on the White House

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and basically they were caught siphoning

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off all those two of those calls from DC

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to a facility in st. Louis which then

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had a direct line to tel-aviv and was

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sending all of these calls there yeah it

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may mean it makes sense that countries

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would want to spy in the u.s. when

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you're the the lone superpower you know

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and so significant what what decisions

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the u.s. makes and what policies we

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follow and so on that any country friend

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or foe is gonna want to know what's

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going on behind closed doors in DC right

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I think it's a fair assumption but it's

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also worth pointing out to you that a

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lot of times I'm what we're seeing a lot

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of now coming out in connection with not

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just Epstein but with this you know

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electronic aspect that we've been

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discussing is that there is a use of

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blackmail for this and you know 8,200

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has a history of looking for

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compromising information on people

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within israel and also within the

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palestinian palestinian territories of

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looking for compromising material is a

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way to make people informants so for

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them to apply that there and what we

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know about for example what I mentioned

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about Netanyahu and Clinton and things

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like that and what was going on with

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Epstein and they would make sense as

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well that you know if there's a person

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that they want to target for example or

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get leverage over that they could use

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you know electronic means to do that as

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well do we know whether they did in fact

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use the Monica Lewinsky Clinton evidence

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as blackmail against him um so that's

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alleged by two different authors I think

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one of them is Daniel helped help her in

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this his name and the other one is

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Gordon Thomas I'm Gordon Thomas claimed

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that they had like 30 hours of phone

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calls between Bill Clinton Monica

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Lewinsky that Israel had obtained that

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and attempted to use that during the

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white plantation talks help her in

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obtain so as we say sorry when we say

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tempted to use it what what it was

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specifically what do I mean they talked

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to Bill and said hey Bill come over here

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Yahoo tried to secure the release of

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Jonathan Pollard from prison tried to

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get Bill Clinton to part in Jonathan

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Pollard Clinton apparently was

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considering going along with it until

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George Tenet threatened to resign from

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the CIA and make a big fuss about it but

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do any of these guys alleged

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specifically that Netanyahu said to

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Clinton yeah here's what I've got

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yeah here's what I want for me to keep

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it quiet yeah they has been alleged I

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mean there's an article about it in The

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Times of Israel which is pretty

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mainstream as far as Israeli media is

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concerned right that talks about those

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allegations and there was actually a lot

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of this was compiled in legal documents

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that was obtained by by Halperin in the

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event that there was a subsequent

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litigation regarding the Lewinsky case

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after Clinton left office and what's the

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current status of carbon nine-one-one

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it's ongoing product and and has it been

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sold in the u.s. at all yeah it has been

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sold in the u.s. it's currently active

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in two counties one of them's in Georgia

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I forget the other state before

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Epstein's arrests it was being very

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heavily promoted in US media as a way to

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resolve the what the media described as

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aging nine-one-one infrastructure

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throughout the country and to make it

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all into one national interconnected

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system and also carbine 9-1-1 has a very

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close relationship with the two only

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lobbying groups that are lobbying for a

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national next generation 9 1 1 system

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nationwide and Congress right now and

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both of those are quite are pushing

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quite extensively for kagra of those

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lobby groups sorry are pushing for

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carbine 9-1-1 and this company also has

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ties into the Trump administration as

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well one of the Trump's top 2020 donors

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Eliot to wheel is on the board of

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directors for carbine and the former

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head of the Trump Department of Defense

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transition team Trace Stevens who's also

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an ex Palantir employee I'm is on the

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board of advisers as well and then you

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have Peter Thiel he was a prominent

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Trump backer so basically it's a you

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know if it wasn't for Epstein this was

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basically fast-tracked to be the the

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promise you know

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lucien to not just to you know the 911

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issue but also to you know mass

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shootings so so what exactly is the

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carbine 9-1-1 product doing in georgia

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so if you call 9-1-1 in this county in

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georgia it your call is put into this

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carbine system the audio of that call is

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recorded in carbine is able to extract

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any data it chooses well basically at

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mass mass extracts the data and whatever

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someone considers it to be relevant is

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stored there whoever makes that decision

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is not um you know transparent really

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and it also i'm car by 9-1-1 also

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obtains own control over your camera can

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record the live video feed so it's a

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video and audio and if you can get

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access to that at the time of the call

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people have raised concern that perhaps

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it could have access at any time to the

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camera and microphone of your of your

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cell phone so it takes all the

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information that it gets but puts it in

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a database and collects it and stores it

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and the idea is the bigger the database

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the better for cross referencing etc

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right it also run it also has access to

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several federal databases so it runs

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your ID through those databases for

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whatever reason it's also worth pointing

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out to that in china for example china

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had a very similar app that it's sort of

436
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promoted and that was very similar to

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car by 9-1-1 it was marketed as a

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emergency response tool and it turned

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out that it was used being used by the

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Chinese government for a master

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surveillance against civilians and was

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personality of basically profiling

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people based upon their geolocation

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where they were going who they were

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meeting with who they were associating

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with what they would say online yeah

447
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well you know it seems to me there's

448
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different versions of this they could

449
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sell in some countries you know people's

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constitutional rights are not quite as

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strong so there's plenty of countries

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that would probably say yeah give us the

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whole thing will implement the whole

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thing we don't care and then in the US

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if you try to implement the whole thing

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theoretically you would get into trouble

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at some point well assumably so but i

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think that's why it's interesting that

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they are marketing this in connection

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with

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shootings because basically the theory

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behind that is that you have betrayed

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more of your liberty for increased

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safety right yeah well look it's just

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you know I hate to say it but it's a

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good marketing right personally well I

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mean it depends on how you how you look

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at it but I mean bottom line is you

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can't dispute that America has a problem

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with mass shootings I mean I'm not

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saying that we should go into mass

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hysteria over it but I'm just

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acknowledging that yes this is a

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relatively new problem that has been

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getting worse there's no question about

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that and so coming up with ways to try

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to prevent them I don't begrudge anybody

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for doing that and if you've come up

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with a technology that you think would

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help in you're pointing out that hey

481
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guys this could be helpful in preventing

482
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future mass shootings I don't find that

483
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to be problematic frankly but it depends

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on what exactly the technology does I'm

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a big fan of the Constitution on the end

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of individual liberty so when it crosses

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the line in the violating individual

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liberty

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then that's gone too far but that's up

490
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to the governments to make sure that

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it's not violating individual liberty

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not necessarily up to the private

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company that's selling it well I suppose

494
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so but if you're opening this up to a

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pre-crime system which is the system

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that's being suggested to basically use

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people's and electronically surveilled

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people to identify quote-unquote warning

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signs you know who decides what those

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warning sides are I mean just recently

501
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we had the FBI saying that conspiracy

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theorists are a terror threat who

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defines what that means anymore you know

504
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these definitions have become basically

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whatever anyone in government wants them

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to be any time you throw in this whole

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claim of pre-crime you're you're

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basically going out potentially and

509
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detaining someone for a crime they

510
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haven't even committed just because you

511
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think they'll commit the crime well not

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necessarily it depends on what again if

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your survey if somebody's posting stuff

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on the internet about wanting to let's

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just be absurd you know III want to go

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commit a mass shooting okay they're

517
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saying that they're saying it again and

518
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again and again

519
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[Music]

520
00:20:01,890 --> 00:20:00,670
okay something to say so it's public

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information they're putting it out there

522
00:20:06,930 --> 00:20:04,480
publicly right I'm not suggesting that

523
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you go arrest the person although maybe

524
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some of that is a crime as a terrorist

525
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threat but let's assume that it's not a

526
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crime as a terrorist threat to keep an

527
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eye in that person I'm in favor of if

528
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you're posting that kind of stuff

529
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publicly I'm not talking about

530
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intercepting a private phone call right

531
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but is it really necessary so yeah so

532
00:20:29,070 --> 00:20:26,740
the thing is that the system that that's

533
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being pushed for right now in connection

534
00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:31,720
to mass shootings also includes this

535
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plush to create this new government

536
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:36,070
agency called Harper I don't know if

537
00:20:39,150 --> 00:20:37,210
you're familiar with it but it's

538
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basically a help mental health version

539
00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:41,980
of DARPA of the Pentagon and what they

540
00:20:47,670 --> 00:20:44,760
are pushing to do is to use devices like

541
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Amazon echo and Google home in your

542
00:20:52,340 --> 00:20:49,810
smartphone to basically surveil you into

543
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say an identified problematic behavior

544
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that will get you basically tipped off

545
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for increased surveillance or have the

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government basically come to your house

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to see if you're mentally well which was

548
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:03,070
promoted in the Washington Post recently

549
00:21:07,950 --> 00:21:05,050
and things like that and involves a lot

550
00:21:09,450 --> 00:21:07,960
of this sort of pre-crime overtones I

551
00:21:11,250 --> 00:21:09,460
think it's a very slippery slope here

552
00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:11,260
and I think you know even if the u.s.

553
00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:13,750
wanted to go this route it is not smart

554
00:21:19,230 --> 00:21:16,990
to use the technology of a foreign so

555
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,240
deeply tied you know foreign military

556
00:21:23,070 --> 00:21:21,280
intelligence I think you know imagine

557
00:21:24,930 --> 00:21:23,080
for example if the same software was

558
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:24,940
connected to example Russian military

559
00:21:28,770 --> 00:21:26,290
intelligence I think you would be

560
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,780
hearing about it in the media non-stop

561
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:30,400
but of course this hasn't really gotten

562
00:21:33,810 --> 00:21:32,050
very much coverage at all is it okay

563
00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:33,820
because it's our ally it's worth

564
00:21:37,230 --> 00:21:35,710
pointing out that the NSA in 2013

565
00:21:40,410 --> 00:21:37,240
identified Israel as the number three

566
00:21:42,330 --> 00:21:40,420
most aggressive a spy spy agency

567
00:21:44,910 --> 00:21:42,340
targeting the u.s. in terms of espionage

568
00:21:47,250 --> 00:21:44,920
rate behind Russia and China it's it's

569
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,260
Israel even though they're our ally that

570
00:21:50,790 --> 00:21:49,360
that is troubling that we would give

571
00:21:53,790 --> 00:21:50,800
them you know a potential you know

572
00:21:56,850 --> 00:21:53,800
backdoor into so many you know key

573
00:21:58,890 --> 00:21:56,860
electronic infrastructure um in our

574
00:22:00,810 --> 00:21:58,900
country with no questions asked I think

575
00:22:02,790 --> 00:22:00,820
that's a very glaring conflict of

576
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:02,800
interest personally yeah well I agree

577
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:05,610
and just to be clear I applaud you for

578
00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:08,080
raising all this and making people aware

579
00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:11,710
of it you're a classic liberal in that

580
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:12,550
sense of

581
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:13,930
affecting people against government

582
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:16,960
overreach and those type of liberals are

583
00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:20,170
a dying breed because the Democrat Party

584
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:22,600
at this point is all about socialism not

585
00:22:27,870 --> 00:22:24,850
about liberalism so that's a topic for

586
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:27,880
another day but it's it's it's too bad

587
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:31,090
that we don't have enough of your type

588
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:33,610
of voices in the US because you know the

589
00:22:36,450 --> 00:22:35,170
Republican Party hasn't really been big

590
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,460
in that in the past and now the Democrat

591
00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:38,320
Party is not big on it so somebody needs

592
00:22:44,940 --> 00:22:41,110
to be watchful over the overreach of

593
00:22:47,490 --> 00:22:44,950
government so going back to carbon

594
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:47,500
nine-one-one and Epstein's investment in

595
00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:50,050
it so I'm gonna let's now dive into

596
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:50,800
Epstein

597
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:53,770
I don't inherently find that sinister

598
00:22:59,940 --> 00:22:57,760
because the guy is an investor and this

599
00:23:02,250 --> 00:22:59,950
looks like a good investment so what is

600
00:23:05,730 --> 00:23:02,260
sinister about Epstein investing in it

601
00:23:07,740 --> 00:23:05,740
well I've seen was and he was basically

602
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:07,750
tapped to be in this by a hoot Barak and

603
00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:09,610
he and a hoot Barak had a what I would

604
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:11,350
consider to be you know a troubling

605
00:23:16,530 --> 00:23:13,690
relationship on a couple of levels for

606
00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:16,540
example a Brock would admits to having

607
00:23:21,060 --> 00:23:19,390
gone to Epstein's Island he went on he

608
00:23:22,650 --> 00:23:21,070
was seen multiple times entering an

609
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:22,660
apartment building owned by Epstein's

610
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:23,890
brother that federal investigators

611
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:25,930
considered to be a major part of F

612
00:23:29,910 --> 00:23:28,210
scenes sex trafficking operation where

613
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:29,920
underage girls from South America and in

614
00:23:33,330 --> 00:23:31,210
the in Eastern Europe were routinely

615
00:23:35,250 --> 00:23:33,340
held and he numerous other people that

616
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:35,260
live that are normal people that live in

617
00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:36,970
that apartment building told reporters

618
00:23:41,130 --> 00:23:38,470
that they had seen an uber up there

619
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,140
multiple times the security detail and

620
00:23:46,050 --> 00:23:43,120
he's also sorry let me interrupt

621
00:23:47,730 --> 00:23:46,060
where was that apartment it's it's in

622
00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:47,740
New York I forget the exact address but

623
00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:50,230
there's several reports on it and so

624
00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:51,040
that's his brother

625
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:54,310
that's Epstein's brother's apartment and

626
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:56,050
you believe there were underage girls at

627
00:23:59,940 --> 00:23:58,330
that apartment yeah well it's an

628
00:24:02,010 --> 00:23:59,950
apartment building so there's multiple

629
00:24:03,420 --> 00:24:02,020
apartments in it and so some regular

630
00:24:05,490 --> 00:24:03,430
families have apartments but there's

631
00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:05,500
other apartments that are you know

632
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:06,790
controlled by the people that own the

633
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:08,530
building which is majority owned by mark

634
00:24:12,980 --> 00:24:10,690
Epstein right and this is according to

635
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:12,990
the former keeper for John Luke Brunel

636
00:24:17,580 --> 00:24:15,760
who's one of the major alleged

637
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:17,590
co-conspirators with Epstein is that

638
00:24:21,690 --> 00:24:19,930
that building was used to house underage

639
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:21,700
girls from South America and from

640
00:24:25,230 --> 00:24:24,130
Eastern Europe specifically so let's say

641
00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:25,240
on the brother for a second because you

642
00:24:28,169 --> 00:24:25,990
don't really

643
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:28,179
him being culpable in all this are you

644
00:24:31,950 --> 00:24:29,520
basically saying that he was

645
00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:31,960
knowledgeable as to what Epstein was

646
00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:33,400
doing and theoretically should be in

647
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:36,070
jail yeah I think he at least he should

648
00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:38,290
at least be questioned for sure he also

649
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:39,910
has a some ties to the State Department

650
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:42,130
into some Democrats like Adam Schiff and

651
00:24:45,870 --> 00:24:43,840
debbie Wasserman so what's Herman

652
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:45,880
Schultz I mean some other people he was

653
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:48,130
very connected and and it would have

654
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:49,929
been really hard for him to not know

655
00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:51,610
what his brother was up to because they

656
00:24:56,430 --> 00:24:54,040
shared a lot of investments together had

657
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:56,440
a lot of financial overlap and this

658
00:25:00,750 --> 00:24:58,090
building that federal investigators

659
00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:00,760
believe was used as a major part of

660
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:03,280
Epstein sex trafficking operation that

661
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:05,050
was majority owned by mark Epstein it's

662
00:25:09,930 --> 00:25:07,929
quite shocking that that you know that

663
00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:09,940
building wasn't rated for one thing and

664
00:25:13,020 --> 00:25:11,590
that mark Epstein hasn't been questioned

665
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,030
in connection with with that case

666
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:16,000
specifically so for all we know that you

667
00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:17,290
know that apartment building some of

668
00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:18,790
those apartments could still be used for

669
00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:20,710
the same purpose you know his penthouse

670
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:22,600
the penthouse that was originally bought

671
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:24,370
by Leslie Wexner and given to Epstein

672
00:25:28,380 --> 00:25:26,410
that was raided but this other building

673
00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:28,390
was not and I think that's quite telling

674
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:29,620
especially when you consider that

675
00:25:33,150 --> 00:25:31,090
there's a couple other residences of

676
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:33,160
Epstein's that to date still have not

677
00:25:38,130 --> 00:25:35,110
been raided including the the ranch in

678
00:25:39,780 --> 00:25:38,140
New Mexico I'm he owns two islands one

679
00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:39,790
of those islands was not rated the other

680
00:25:44,610 --> 00:25:42,790
one wasn't rated until after he was

681
00:25:46,740 --> 00:25:44,620
alleged to have committed suicide right

682
00:25:48,750 --> 00:25:46,750
um so they waited like over a month to

683
00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:48,760
read one of his most notorious

684
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:50,950
residences for example well not to

685
00:25:56,610 --> 00:25:53,110
mention it wasn't none of that was

686
00:26:01,400 --> 00:25:56,620
raided ten years ago right when he was

687
00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:01,410
originally charged right good point so

688
00:26:07,380 --> 00:26:05,500
what's your theory as to why the

689
00:26:10,830 --> 00:26:07,390
government has not been tougher on

690
00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:10,840
Epstein ten years ago and even more

691
00:26:18,570 --> 00:26:15,940
recently that is quite a long answers so

692
00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:18,580
basically on to summarize you know my

693
00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:21,790
research I consider Jeffrey Epstein to

694
00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:24,190
be late as one of the later iterations

695
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:27,790
of an organization that a lot of people

696
00:26:31,890 --> 00:26:29,170
come up with different nicknames for

697
00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:31,900
over the years and is basically the

698
00:26:36,540 --> 00:26:34,150
coming together this sort of unholy

699
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:36,550
alliance as it were between elements of

700
00:26:39,690 --> 00:26:38,590
organized crime elements of US

701
00:26:41,639 --> 00:26:39,700
intelligence and

702
00:26:43,259 --> 00:26:41,649
so Israeli intelligence that we saw for

703
00:26:46,919 --> 00:26:43,269
example come together in the iran-contra

704
00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:46,929
scandal these same three elements if you

705
00:26:50,399 --> 00:26:48,460
look back at their history of where they

706
00:26:52,620 --> 00:26:50,409
really started to come together it was

707
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:52,630
around the national crime syndicate in

708
00:26:57,810 --> 00:26:56,110
their alliance with the CIA really the

709
00:27:00,210 --> 00:26:57,820
precursor to the CIA the Office of

710
00:27:01,769 --> 00:27:00,220
Strategic Services and it was this on

711
00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:01,779
national crime syndicate that was

712
00:27:06,090 --> 00:27:03,190
co-founded by the Genovese crime family

713
00:27:07,950 --> 00:27:06,100
in in Mayr Lansky that pioneered the use

714
00:27:09,299 --> 00:27:07,960
of these sexual blackmail operations

715
00:27:11,310 --> 00:27:09,309
that actually and was later known to be

716
00:27:14,970 --> 00:27:11,320
involved in if you look at the people

717
00:27:17,159 --> 00:27:14,980
that surrounded you know Mayr Lansky and

718
00:27:18,930 --> 00:27:17,169
his business operations going forward as

719
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:18,940
well as intelligence and the sort of

720
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:22,330
alliance between these these groups you

721
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:23,710
end up seeing that a lot of the same

722
00:27:30,539 --> 00:27:27,039
that not only are a lot of these figures

723
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:30,549
they're intergenerational successors I

724
00:27:33,899 --> 00:27:32,289
guess you could say they not only did

725
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:33,909
then they come to surround Epstein later

726
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:36,159
on but there were several sexual

727
00:27:40,259 --> 00:27:38,169
blackmail operations not just Epstein

728
00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:40,269
that were connected to the same network

729
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:43,000
Epstein being just one of them so for

730
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:44,950
example it connected to iran-contra you

731
00:27:48,450 --> 00:27:46,570
have like the Franklin scandal for

732
00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:48,460
example you have the Craig Spence

733
00:27:51,659 --> 00:27:49,990
pedophile ring that was some that

734
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:51,669
sometimes called the White House cowboy

735
00:27:56,129 --> 00:27:54,250
ring because they were you know some of

736
00:27:58,259 --> 00:27:56,139
these underage boys were that were

737
00:28:00,450 --> 00:27:58,269
sexually abused were taken to the White

738
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:00,460
House allegedly and this was run by

739
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:02,710
Craig Spence and then also am i talking

740
00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:05,470
in my in my series about one that was

741
00:28:10,649 --> 00:28:08,980
also run by Roy Cohn who's that the

742
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,659
former general counsel to Senator

743
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:13,360
McCarthy and was also a very notorious

744
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:15,850
and influential New York lawyer and also

745
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:18,250
a very important political player in the

746
00:28:25,769 --> 00:28:21,370
Reagan administration so is it your

747
00:28:29,610 --> 00:28:25,779
theory that the US Attorney's office

748
00:28:31,529 --> 00:28:29,620
went light on him 10 years ago because

749
00:28:34,110 --> 00:28:31,539
in fact it became known to him that he

750
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:34,120
was an agent a Mossad agent or some I

751
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:36,450
think you know I think I think he was

752
00:28:42,029 --> 00:28:39,490
the asset of more than one intelligence

753
00:28:43,620 --> 00:28:42,039
agency I would argue that he served more

754
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:43,630
than one purpose to intelligence the

755
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:45,370
sexual blackmail operation was just one

756
00:28:50,150 --> 00:28:48,820
of them and I think that he was also

757
00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:50,160
involved in

758
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:52,020
the world of shadow finance as it were a

759
00:28:56,990 --> 00:28:55,020
lot of money laundering in sort of

760
00:28:58,820 --> 00:28:57,000
shadow banking activity I think a lot of

761
00:29:01,340 --> 00:28:58,830
that shadow banking activity was done on

762
00:29:04,340 --> 00:29:01,350
behalf of the CIA and I think he was

763
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:04,350
also involved in and smuggling among

764
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:05,910
other things I mean we can get into that

765
00:29:11,270 --> 00:29:08,970
specifically about Epstein himself and

766
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:11,280
his ties to intelligence but I think the

767
00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:13,620
main reason that he wasn't pursued is

768
00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:15,270
because he's part of this larger network

769
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:16,590
that has been doing this for a very long

770
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:19,110
time if you look at um bill bar for

771
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:20,580
instance who's the Attorney General

772
00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:23,700
right now um knowing that this sort of

773
00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:25,350
activity has been connected to a lot of

774
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:27,150
the same individuals behind iran-contra

775
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,700
is notable because bill bar when he was

776
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:31,200
Attorney General the first time was very

777
00:29:34,670 --> 00:29:33,090
involved in the cover-up of iran-contra

778
00:29:36,650 --> 00:29:34,680
and the pardoning of a lot of people

779
00:29:39,890 --> 00:29:36,660
involved he was also involved in the

780
00:29:42,260 --> 00:29:39,900
cover-up to an extent of the the insula

781
00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:42,270
or promise software scandal which is

782
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:44,220
also and you know very much involved

783
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,250
Robert Maxwell and a lot of the same

784
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:48,960
iran-contra figures were involved in

785
00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:50,330
that as well

786
00:29:54,890 --> 00:29:52,740
bill Barr just really has a long history

787
00:29:56,780 --> 00:29:54,900
of doing running interference on for

788
00:29:59,780 --> 00:29:56,790
intelligence agencies I'm covering up on

789
00:30:02,420 --> 00:29:59,790
their crimes even before Iran Contra you

790
00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:02,430
know in the late 70s he was the CIA's

791
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,440
liaison to Congress during the church

792
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:05,760
committee hearings and basically

793
00:30:09,380 --> 00:30:07,890
stonewalled the Church Committee trying

794
00:30:11,150 --> 00:30:09,390
to prevent as much information as

795
00:30:13,340 --> 00:30:11,160
possible from coming out one of the

796
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,350
things that he fought tooth and nail to

797
00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:15,600
keep the church church committee from

798
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:17,580
uncovering involved the CIA's use of

799
00:30:21,980 --> 00:30:19,170
sexual blackmail operations targeting

800
00:30:25,340 --> 00:30:21,990
foreign diplomats what about the fact

801
00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:25,350
though that Epstein was finally being

802
00:30:29,030 --> 00:30:26,220
brought to justice

803
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:29,040
under Bill Barr the prior AG's he was

804
00:30:33,140 --> 00:30:31,500
not being brought to justice well I

805
00:30:35,030 --> 00:30:33,150
think the reason that Epstein was

806
00:30:36,550 --> 00:30:35,040
arrested this time didn't have to do so

807
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:36,560
much with his sexual trafficking

808
00:30:43,670 --> 00:30:38,730
operations I think it had more to do

809
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:43,680
with changes in his other services to

810
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:44,850
intelligence that I mentioned earlier

811
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:47,250
the shadow financing aspect I think if

812
00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:49,860
there was a really a real interest in

813
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:52,200
investigating the the sexual trafficking

814
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:55,170
operation there were a lot of things

815
00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:56,700
would have happened a lot differently if

816
00:31:00,650 --> 00:30:58,260
Bill Barr was really interested in

817
00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:00,660
pursuing that he would have had all of

818
00:31:06,590 --> 00:31:03,990
those residences raided at the same time

819
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:06,600
had all that evidence he would he you

820
00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:09,360
know um he would have had other people

821
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:11,280
brought in the question that weren't

822
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:13,050
questioned d'Alene Maxwell for example

823
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:14,580
there was no pushback against Leslie

824
00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:17,610
Wexner who was intimately involved well

825
00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:19,830
hold on though this is important point

826
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:21,630
so I'm curious what you have to say

827
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:23,460
about this the only charges that were

828
00:31:28,910 --> 00:31:25,290
actually brought at least as of the time

829
00:31:30,890 --> 00:31:28,920
of his death involved sex with underage

830
00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:30,900
girls you're suggesting though that you

831
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:33,660
think that what they were really aiming

832
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:36,120
for was something else well yeah because

833
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:40,170
if you look at it the 2007 arrest he got

834
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:42,450
off very lightly and what what change

835
00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:43,710
that would have him arrest

836
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:46,860
arrested at this point in July to me

837
00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:49,530
what happened well it it sort of caught

838
00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:51,059
I'm doing a report on this yet so I

839
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:52,950
haven't um it's still in progress so I

840
00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:55,500
haven't gotten all of all of the the

841
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,270
pieces together but what I suspect

842
00:32:00,520 --> 00:31:58,559
happened had to do with his relationship

843
00:32:02,660 --> 00:32:00,530
with Deutsche Bank among other things

844
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:02,670
because if you look at what happened in

845
00:32:07,910 --> 00:32:06,960
June before his arrest and in the first

846
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:07,920
week of July

847
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:09,809
Deutsche Bank abruptly that was when

848
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,220
Deutsche Bank finally closed all their

849
00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:13,200
accounts with Epstein they had

850
00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:15,150
maintained those open for I consider

851
00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:17,670
about a considerable amount of time and

852
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:19,230
we know that X well what I'll be writing

853
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:20,820
about in the future is that Epstein was

854
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,730
really involved in money laundering on

855
00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:25,679
behalf of intelligence agencies and

856
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:27,720
there was a policy change that happened

857
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:29,700
around the same time as this Miami

858
00:32:34,669 --> 00:32:31,500
Herald expose that was supposedly the

859
00:32:38,030 --> 00:32:34,679
reason for Epstein's arrest and it that

860
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:38,040
policy change is called standard 56 and

861
00:32:43,340 --> 00:32:39,630
basically what it allows the u.s.

862
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:43,350
government to do is any agency that

863
00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:45,690
wants work that the CIA wants to pilfer

864
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:47,580
money from they can basically do it with

865
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:50,220
impunity whereas in the past you know

866
00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:51,600
this was sort of described as the

867
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:53,070
missing trillions by people who have

868
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:56,010
investigated in it that there's these uh

869
00:32:59,480 --> 00:32:57,690
as they're called unsupported

870
00:33:01,640 --> 00:32:59,490
adjustments where money is unaccounted

871
00:33:02,660 --> 00:33:01,650
for either by the Pentagon or the the

872
00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:02,670
Department of Housing and Urban

873
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:06,270
Development among other parts of the US

874
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:07,740
government and they basically say we

875
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:09,510
can't account for this money I mean some

876
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:10,740
people may have heard of this like on

877
00:33:14,510 --> 00:33:13,260
September 10th before 9/11 Donald

878
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:14,520
Rumsfeld said there was all this money

879
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:15,960
missing from the Pentagon well that

880
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:17,610
continued while after 9/11

881
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:21,330
and between 1997 and 2015 it was 21

882
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:22,799
something trillion dollars

883
00:33:26,090 --> 00:33:24,450
one of the main investigators of that

884
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:26,100
Katherine Austin sits who used to work

885
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:27,330
for the Department of Housing and Urban

886
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:30,600
Development you know told me that she

887
00:33:33,650 --> 00:33:32,220
thinks that Epstein was involved in in

888
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:33,660
laundering that money as were some other

889
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:36,450
organizations this changed last October

890
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:38,250
made that type of money laundering

891
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:40,140
unnecessary because basically those

892
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:41,940
unsupported adjustments that used to be

893
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:44,640
reported are no longer required to be

894
00:33:49,789 --> 00:33:47,490
reported on under law so basically any

895
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:49,799
government agency can now have a private

896
00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:51,570
financial statement that's true and the

897
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:54,179
one they make public can basically be

898
00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:56,940
made up and they don't have to say that

899
00:34:00,980 --> 00:33:59,220
it was made up okay so it's crazy but

900
00:34:03,140 --> 00:34:00,990
it's worth them looking into you can

901
00:34:06,650 --> 00:34:03,150
find information about it online so is

902
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:06,660
the theory that arrest him for the same

903
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:08,609
thing that's the low-hanging fruit the

904
00:34:12,740 --> 00:34:10,530
sex trafficking will arrest him and

905
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:12,750
charge him with that and then we'll get

906
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,770
him to talk about the other stuff and

907
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:19,200
bring others down well so here's the

908
00:34:23,659 --> 00:34:21,810
thing um but let's just look at what

909
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:23,669
happened so so he's yeah so he was

910
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:27,090
charged with federal sex trafficking and

911
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:28,560
some other charges but what happened

912
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:30,690
after he died is that all of that all of

913
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:32,129
those charges went away the case is

914
00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:35,490
closed and there's no it's been

915
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:38,280
basically cancelled by a Florida Court

916
00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:40,649
that they will go after co-conspirators

917
00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:42,750
named in the 2007 on prosecution

918
00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:43,320
agreement

919
00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:45,540
thank you including the lay Maxwell um

920
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:47,730
and other people named in that document

921
00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:50,730
so um basically what happens after

922
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:53,159
Epstein's death in prison which was you

923
00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:55,649
know a lot of mystery has has surrounded

924
00:34:59,900 --> 00:34:57,720
that is that this case basically dies

925
00:35:01,520 --> 00:34:59,910
with him and not only that but all of

926
00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:01,530
the evidence gathered in connection with

927
00:35:06,109 --> 00:35:04,380
that investigation has never made public

928
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,119
it never has to be made public now

929
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:08,160
unless someone else is charged Liberty

930
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:09,930
said they're not there pretty much they

931
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,640
haven't charged anyone if they do you

932
00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:13,200
know then I'll eat my words I guess but

933
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:15,390
I haven't seen any evidence of that so

934
00:35:19,330 --> 00:35:17,000
sorry let's go back to the

935
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:19,340
co-conspirators that ghilane Maxwell's

936
00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:21,450
what are you saying is going on with

937
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:26,760
them oh so under the 2007 on prosecution

938
00:35:29,890 --> 00:35:27,650
agreement

939
00:35:31,329 --> 00:35:29,900
ghilane maxvill can't be charged right

940
00:35:33,370 --> 00:35:31,339
I'm saying with that same with Epstein

941
00:35:34,930 --> 00:35:33,380
but they charged him again in New York

942
00:35:36,309 --> 00:35:34,940
well they charged him in New York

943
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,319
and basically there was an effort to

944
00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:38,960
throw that out in Florida so that Glenn

945
00:35:42,970 --> 00:35:40,700
Maxwell could be prosecuted and other

946
00:35:45,249 --> 00:35:42,980
people could be prosecuted and the

947
00:35:47,470 --> 00:35:45,259
Florida judge refused to throw that out

948
00:35:49,870 --> 00:35:47,480
right but that's just in Florida so they

949
00:35:51,130 --> 00:35:49,880
could so go to her in New York right but

950
00:35:52,989 --> 00:35:51,140
that all those charges have been dropped

951
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:52,999
because no one else has been charged in

952
00:35:56,319 --> 00:35:54,410
the case they claim that the

953
00:35:58,089 --> 00:35:56,329
investigation is ongoing but there are

954
00:36:00,789 --> 00:35:58,099
currently no charges open against anyone

955
00:36:03,489 --> 00:36:00,799
right right well I think the general

956
00:36:06,549 --> 00:36:03,499
public believes I believe but maybe

957
00:36:08,650 --> 00:36:06,559
mistakenly that d'Alene will eventually

958
00:36:10,749 --> 00:36:08,660
be arrested that they haven't totally

959
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,759
stopped what they're doing but they

960
00:36:13,630 --> 00:36:12,079
don't know where she is and she hasn't

961
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:13,640
been brought in for questioning I think

962
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:15,710
to me that shows a lack of interest

963
00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:18,650
frankly so in other words supporting

964
00:36:22,299 --> 00:36:20,390
your theory that this wasn't really

965
00:36:25,660 --> 00:36:22,309
about sex trafficking this was about

966
00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:25,670
what Epstein was involved in money

967
00:36:30,609 --> 00:36:29,180
laundering etc etc yeah I don't really

968
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,619
think I've heard a lot of it had to do

969
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:32,480
with sex trafficking because you know if

970
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:34,609
it did for example why haven't they

971
00:36:38,229 --> 00:36:36,650
questioned Leslie Wexner there is so

972
00:36:40,450 --> 00:36:38,239
much evidence indicating that Leslie

973
00:36:42,749 --> 00:36:40,460
Wexner was intimately involved in this

974
00:36:46,690 --> 00:36:42,759
scheme really from the beginning of it

975
00:36:49,210 --> 00:36:46,700
well it may very well be that you know

976
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:49,220
they want they were gonna have Epstein

977
00:36:56,109 --> 00:36:52,730
sing about everyone else maybe Wexler

978
00:36:58,059 --> 00:36:56,119
and and to knows who else on the sex

979
00:37:00,940 --> 00:36:58,069
trafficking side and then to your point

980
00:37:02,499 --> 00:37:00,950
on the money laundering side I imagine

981
00:37:04,509 --> 00:37:02,509
there was a lot of people he could be

982
00:37:06,279 --> 00:37:04,519
bringing down though oh right I think

983
00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:06,289
that's definitely true but I think you

984
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:09,140
know me you know you know just as a you

985
00:37:12,999 --> 00:37:10,730
know someone writing about this stuff

986
00:37:14,769 --> 00:37:13,009
and looking into it um you know I have

987
00:37:17,499 --> 00:37:14,779
found plenty of evidence that is enough

988
00:37:18,999 --> 00:37:17,509
to implicate Waxman in this activity the

989
00:37:21,249 --> 00:37:19,009
fact that they haven't even bothered to

990
00:37:22,989 --> 00:37:21,259
question him I think is really troubling

991
00:37:24,489 --> 00:37:22,999
and we've also seen in the media sort of

992
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:24,499
this effort to distance Wexler from

993
00:37:28,479 --> 00:37:26,569
Epstein just based on election airs own

994
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:28,489
words so for example not long after

995
00:37:33,279 --> 00:37:31,249
Epstein was arrested there were there

996
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,289
was documentation reported on showing

997
00:37:37,390 --> 00:37:34,880
that Epstein right before he went to

998
00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:37,400
prison the first time transferred 46

999
00:37:42,570 --> 00:37:39,100
million dollars

1000
00:37:44,340 --> 00:37:42,580
of his money to Wexner and then just a

1001
00:37:46,740 --> 00:37:44,350
month later Wexner says actually he

1002
00:37:48,270 --> 00:37:46,750
stole that money from me he stole 46

1003
00:37:50,670 --> 00:37:48,280
million dollars from me but he provides

1004
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:50,680
no evidence but the same media outlets

1005
00:37:54,030 --> 00:37:52,210
that reported on the documentation

1006
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:54,040
showing the opposite immediately report

1007
00:37:58,170 --> 00:37:56,770
on Westerners claims without any

1008
00:38:00,840 --> 00:37:58,180
pushback at all saying oh actually

1009
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:00,850
Wexner was duped by Epstein that to me

1010
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:02,170
suggests sort of an orchestrated

1011
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:04,930
campaign to distance Wexler from these

1012
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:06,730
activities despite the fact that if you

1013
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:08,110
look into the history of the Wexner

1014
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:09,790
Epstein relationship it's abundantly

1015
00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:12,490
clear that the Wexner was not only knew

1016
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:14,140
what was going on but was very involved

1017
00:38:17,730 --> 00:38:15,910
in those activities several of Epstein's

1018
00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:17,740
victims have accused Wexner of raping

1019
00:38:22,740 --> 00:38:20,740
them for example one of EPs teens first

1020
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:22,750
victims to come forward maria farmer was

1021
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,970
almost raped by Epstein in Wexler's home

1022
00:38:28,530 --> 00:38:27,040
and it was Wexner personal security

1023
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:28,540
guards that prevented her from leaving

1024
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:31,180
the house for 12 hours after she called

1025
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:34,510
the police who alleges who alleges that

1026
00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:39,040
they were with Wexner sexually the names

1027
00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:41,260
of the victims I can't remember off the

1028
00:38:44,190 --> 00:38:42,760
top of my head which ones of them are

1029
00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:44,200
but I know that actually alan dershowitz

1030
00:38:48,510 --> 00:38:45,940
talks about this in an interview he did

1031
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,520
with trt world he's trying to say that

1032
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:50,320
it's absurd but I had been accused of

1033
00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:52,150
this because even Leslie Wexner has been

1034
00:38:56,430 --> 00:38:54,670
accused of this and he says there

1035
00:38:58,850 --> 00:38:56,440
Dershowitz says that Wiktionary has been

1036
00:39:08,720 --> 00:38:58,860
accused on seven different occasions of

1037
00:39:13,290 --> 00:39:08,730
assault by because Bob Petraeus yeah mhm

1038
00:39:16,050 --> 00:39:13,300
Petraeus you know he asserts that Wexner

1039
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:16,060
is gay so that's why I'm questioning if

1040
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:20,050
there's girls accusing Wexner of sexual

1041
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,690
assault that strikes me as a little odd

1042
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:23,920
well I mean someone could also be

1043
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:27,040
bisexual too right if he found evidence

1044
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:29,170
of that I don't I don't really know but

1045
00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:31,210
this is according this is why this I

1046
00:39:35,310 --> 00:39:33,670
first learned about the accusation

1047
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:35,320
against Mexico from Alan Dershowitz of

1048
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:41,040
all people so so when you say Wexner was

1049
00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:43,660
you know connected to Epstein's

1050
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:46,540
wrongdoing are you talking about the sex

1051
00:39:51,150 --> 00:39:48,310
trafficking are you talking about the

1052
00:39:52,810 --> 00:39:51,160
money laundering I would actually say

1053
00:39:54,670 --> 00:39:52,820
it's both so

1054
00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:54,680
I guess we could go back into the

1055
00:40:00,610 --> 00:39:57,140
history a little bit of Epstein the

1056
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,620
Wexner according to you know some of the

1057
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:02,720
earliest reports about Epstein including

1058
00:40:07,210 --> 00:40:04,250
one that came out in the UK press in

1059
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:07,220
2001 Epstein began to work for Leslie

1060
00:40:12,970 --> 00:40:10,730
Wexner 1985 that same year in 1985 there

1061
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:12,980
was a very still unsolved

1062
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:15,770
technically homicide of a lawyer named

1063
00:40:19,330 --> 00:40:17,330
Arthur Shapiro who was representing

1064
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:19,340
Wexner his company the limited the day

1065
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:22,850
before or the day after he died he was

1066
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:25,190
need to give testimony to a grand jury

1067
00:40:30,910 --> 00:40:27,410
about his involvement with questionable

1068
00:40:33,070 --> 00:40:30,920
tax shelters and other sort of shady

1069
00:40:35,140 --> 00:40:33,080
financial shenanigans tax evasion and

1070
00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:35,150
things like that this police report

1071
00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:36,920
there was a police report on it that

1072
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:38,630
actually bought the track a sum obtained

1073
00:40:42,250 --> 00:40:40,370
several years later after it was written

1074
00:40:45,220 --> 00:40:42,260
that was thought to be destroyed by

1075
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:45,230
Columbus police not only implicated

1076
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:47,930
Wexner in in the murder of sort of

1077
00:40:51,820 --> 00:40:49,970
planning the murder or having an

1078
00:40:53,580 --> 00:40:51,830
interest in Shapiro dying but also

1079
00:40:56,740 --> 00:40:53,590
linked him to organized crime

1080
00:40:59,050 --> 00:40:56,750
specifically though yeah we covered we

1081
00:41:00,880 --> 00:40:59,060
covered a lot of that but with Bob okay

1082
00:41:02,890 --> 00:41:00,890
right I didn't know if you had him on

1083
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:02,900
right so so that happened and right

1084
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:04,970
after that is when Epstein and Wexner

1085
00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:07,070
start working together and the official

1086
00:41:11,350 --> 00:41:09,470
story is that Wexner hired Epstein to

1087
00:41:12,610 --> 00:41:11,360
fix his tangled finances which is

1088
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:12,620
interesting when you consider the

1089
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:15,230
overlap of the Shapiro the Shapiro

1090
00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:17,090
murder during that period of time right

1091
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:19,550
so after that Epstein gets involved in a

1092
00:41:23,530 --> 00:41:20,990
couple different things including this

1093
00:41:26,590 --> 00:41:23,540
the scam with Steve Hoffenberg and the

1094
00:41:28,990 --> 00:41:26,600
tower financial Ponzi scheme and all of

1095
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:29,000
that and then becomes very intimately

1096
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:30,410
involved with Wexler's business

1097
00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:32,330
activities eventually getting power of

1098
00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:34,700
attorney over his affairs he begins to

1099
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:37,190
handle logistics for the limited he and

1100
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:38,810
Wexner negotiate the move of southern

1101
00:41:44,050 --> 00:41:41,830
air transport the CIA front company

1102
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:44,060
airline that was involved in iran-contra

1103
00:41:47,860 --> 00:41:45,980
to run cargo for the limited they

1104
00:41:51,250 --> 00:41:47,870
negotiate its relocation from Miami

1105
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:51,260
Florida into Columbus Ohio to run cargo

1106
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:52,910
on behalf of the limited and I don't

1107
00:41:56,830 --> 00:41:54,890
know if you touched on this with Bob but

1108
00:41:59,770 --> 00:41:56,840
when I talked to him he said that a

1109
00:42:01,120 --> 00:41:59,780
couple different officials in Ohio when

1110
00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:01,130
that relocation of southern air

1111
00:42:04,940 --> 00:42:03,230
transport was ongoing thought that both

1112
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:04,950
Wexner and Epstein were working with

1113
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:07,970
CIA and smuggling something perhaps on

1114
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,530
along with organized crime and actually

1115
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:12,240
Ohio's Inspector General during the time

1116
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:14,490
called that cargo run that Southern Air

1117
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:16,020
Transport was doing for the limited he

1118
00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:18,420
called it the Mayr Lansky run yeah you

1119
00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:21,270
know sort of odd mind you're saying you

1120
00:42:26,329 --> 00:42:23,430
you think the connection between Epstein

1121
00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:26,339
and Wexner was obviously very close goes

1122
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:30,180
way back but you do have Wexner claiming

1123
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:34,020
that he broke ties with Epstein when he

1124
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,440
went to jail because he had to have

1125
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:40,560
somebody else to run his finances may

1126
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,839
have but I don't you know I think that's

1127
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:44,880
possible but I don't think that he was

1128
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:47,250
robbed by Epstein like he claims because

1129
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:50,970
the evidence suggests and I well we

1130
00:42:54,339 --> 00:42:52,859
don't we know that he don't report we

1131
00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:54,349
know he didn't report it to the police

1132
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,390
right he didn't and he also you know um

1133
00:43:01,160 --> 00:42:59,280
claimed that he had no idea what at what

1134
00:43:03,290 --> 00:43:01,170
Epstein was doing to these girls but

1135
00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:03,300
there's evidence of that definitely not

1136
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:04,859
being the case and there's also the fact

1137
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:08,040
of this penthouse that in New York were

1138
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:09,569
a lot of this would be used was gonna

1139
00:43:13,309 --> 00:43:11,130
take place that Epstein was basically

1140
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:13,319
received for free essentially from

1141
00:43:17,690 --> 00:43:15,300
lecture and one of the things we know

1142
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:17,700
that came with the house after Wexner

1143
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:19,980
bought it and and furnished it and then

1144
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,660
gave it to Epstein in the round nineteen

1145
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,280
ninety four hundred nineteen ninety five

1146
00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:25,680
is that it was basically equipped the

1147
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:27,180
rooms with like recording and audio

1148
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,680
equipment and there was sort of this

1149
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:30,720
command center for it in this bathroom

1150
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,250
under the stairs he would open up a

1151
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:35,040
cabinet there would be CCTV and you know

1152
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:36,690
recording equipment basically of all

1153
00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:38,190
these different rooms and we know later

1154
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:40,859
on that in that house Epstein was using

1155
00:43:46,099 --> 00:43:43,920
that equipment to record you know in D

1156
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:46,109
and E interactions I guess you could

1157
00:43:49,609 --> 00:43:48,180
call it that of these underage girls he

1158
00:43:51,319 --> 00:43:49,619
was exploiting with the people he was

1159
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:51,329
trying to blackmail and would you know

1160
00:43:56,059 --> 00:43:53,670
keep that that video and audio as a way

1161
00:43:57,980 --> 00:43:56,069
of you know maintaining power and

1162
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,990
leverage over the people that he had he

1163
00:44:03,859 --> 00:44:00,240
had film here's a look at technology

1164
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:03,869
came from Wexner mmm-hmm so a question I

1165
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:06,390
have is what was Epstein up to from the

1166
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:08,490
time period after he got out of jail

1167
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:11,130
because Maxwell says that he cut all

1168
00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:13,500
ties with him I believe guilt ghilane

1169
00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:17,220
Maxwell who did I say first what wexner

1170
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:18,870
Wexler says he cuddled

1171
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:22,440
with her with him ghilane says that she

1172
00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:26,250
cut all ties Bill Clinton and others say

1173
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:29,070
that they cut all ties if you look at

1174
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:30,420
the charges that were brought against

1175
00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:32,910
him ten years later it's still pertained

1176
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:35,070
to things that happened prior to him

1177
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:37,050
going to jail nothing after he got out

1178
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:39,090
of jail so what do you know about the

1179
00:44:43,610 --> 00:44:41,310
time period from him getting out of jail

1180
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,620
and being arrested what was I've seen up

1181
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,560
to well he was meeting he was very

1182
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:48,240
involved with a hood Barak during the

1183
00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:49,800
period after this and it was actually

1184
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:51,720
for example carbon nine-one-one and he'd

1185
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:53,490
Barak tapped Epstein to fund that in

1186
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:56,910
2015 and was wanted in a lot of the

1187
00:45:00,590 --> 00:44:58,650
sightings for example if they can Baraka

1188
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:00,600
Epstein's residences this a lot of this

1189
00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:02,250
happened after he on that scene left

1190
00:45:06,260 --> 00:45:04,920
prison the first time we also know that

1191
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:06,270
for example he was meeting with some

1192
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:08,010
people like Steve ban and for example I

1193
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:10,020
think was seen leaving his house in 2016

1194
00:45:15,740 --> 00:45:12,650
and also I think Prince Andrew as well

1195
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:15,750
maintain some sort of connection but a

1196
00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:18,060
lot of people you know because of I've

1197
00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:19,950
seen himself even described his

1198
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:22,440
reputation after prison as radioactive a

1199
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:25,530
lot of people maintain ties somewhat

1200
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:27,270
covertly like for example even a hoot

1201
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:30,180
Barak Wright had the pictures of him

1202
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:32,490
going in and out of Epstein's house in

1203
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:34,110
New York he was trying to cover his face

1204
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:36,330
with some sort of like scarf thing but

1205
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:38,130
he pulled up over his his mouth and nose

1206
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:39,930
and but there are enough pictures were

1207
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:42,330
taken that it was you know people

1208
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:44,250
figured out who was really going in

1209
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:46,140
during that time what about sex

1210
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:47,850
trafficking and blackmailing do you

1211
00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:49,110
think that was going on during that

1212
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,390
period I think during the period of time

1213
00:45:55,070 --> 00:45:53,040
after he left prison he was involved in

1214
00:45:56,540 --> 00:45:55,080
rebranding as a tech investor as a high

1215
00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:56,550
tech investor and trying to get more

1216
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,130
involved with Silicon Valley type stuff

1217
00:46:05,810 --> 00:46:01,680
from my understanding do you think that

1218
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:05,820
he was trying to go legit um I think he

1219
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:08,010
was trying to rebrand perhaps or at

1220
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:10,650
least be in a we know that in the months

1221
00:46:15,470 --> 00:46:12,450
leading up to his arrest in July he was

1222
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:15,480
doing someone on his behalf had arranged

1223
00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:18,690
several interviews about technology and

1224
00:46:22,850 --> 00:46:20,430
tech startups and had promoted him as

1225
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:22,860
being a tech investor in several

1226
00:46:27,410 --> 00:46:24,570
companies for example and that he was

1227
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:27,420
trying to actively rebrand as some sort

1228
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:29,970
of high tech investor you know that the

1229
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:30,790
year before

1230
00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:33,630
last year he was involved allegedly in

1231
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:37,720
giving advice to Elon Musk and Tesla and

1232
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,410
things like that trying to arrange ties

1233
00:46:45,330 --> 00:46:42,640
funding from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

1234
00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:45,340
epstein apparently had forged a very

1235
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,780
close relationship with Mohammed bin

1236
00:46:50,610 --> 00:46:48,160
Salman in the Crown Prince of Saudi

1237
00:46:52,740 --> 00:46:50,620
Arabia in the period after he left

1238
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:52,750
prison so you know there's a couple

1239
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:54,910
relationships while some of the

1240
00:46:58,140 --> 00:46:56,530
relationships that he had prior to

1241
00:46:59,970 --> 00:46:58,150
prison the first time like Maxwell and

1242
00:47:01,140 --> 00:46:59,980
Wexner sort of faded after he left

1243
00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:01,150
prison the first time he said he

1244
00:47:05,970 --> 00:47:04,060
continued to maintain his influence and

1245
00:47:07,710 --> 00:47:05,980
ended up on his closest relationships

1246
00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:07,720
appear to have been different after he

1247
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:09,550
left prison but but still significant

1248
00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:13,450
but according to you and I assume we

1249
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,830
people can find this article I haven't

1250
00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:16,720
seen it but this New York Times article

1251
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:19,240
by James Stewart where this is just

1252
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:21,330
about a year before his second arrest

1253
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:23,950
Frank told Stewart that he has

1254
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:25,690
potentially damaging or embarrassing

1255
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:28,090
information on Silicon Valley's elite

1256
00:47:31,830 --> 00:47:29,770
right and told them that their

1257
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:31,840
hedonistic and regular users of

1258
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:34,450
recreational drugs yeah yeah it

1259
00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:36,130
basically you know the way it sounded to

1260
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:37,990
me when I read that article is that um

1261
00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:40,000
Epstein was trying to talk about all

1262
00:47:45,150 --> 00:47:42,040
this dirt that he had on Silicon Valley

1263
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:45,160
people um now that we know that he had

1264
00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:46,780
all these ties to a weed Barak and some

1265
00:47:50,310 --> 00:47:48,520
people a you know there's been

1266
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:50,320
confirmation from a couple different um

1267
00:47:53,580 --> 00:47:52,030
you know journalists and he had

1268
00:47:54,990 --> 00:47:53,590
involvement with Israeli military

1269
00:47:57,390 --> 00:47:55,000
intelligence what we were talking about

1270
00:47:59,760 --> 00:47:57,400
earlier with unit 8200 you know I would

1271
00:48:01,560 --> 00:47:59,770
ask maybe he was trying to use some of

1272
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:01,570
that that leverage as a way to sort of

1273
00:48:05,730 --> 00:48:03,910
get to advance the interests of some of

1274
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:05,740
these tech companies that are related to

1275
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:09,010
unit 8200 or even car binary 101 which

1276
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:10,540
he himself was invested and actually

1277
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:12,250
invested at least a million dollars in

1278
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,710
that company but he probably invested

1279
00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:16,480
more it hasn't really been disclosed

1280
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:20,080
I heard Barak did later after denying it

1281
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:21,760
initially did admit that Epstein

1282
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:23,650
invested in that company but declined to

1283
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:26,110
say exactly how much he had invested in

1284
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:28,420
total we just know his initial

1285
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:30,810
investment was $1,000,000 so this is

1286
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:33,010
Jeffrey going back to what he knows best

1287
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:36,400
which is blackmail yeah well I think

1288
00:48:39,660 --> 00:48:37,450
there's a couple different ways to

1289
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:39,670
blackmail people right you you don't

1290
00:48:43,170 --> 00:48:42,370
necessarily need to you know as I

1291
00:48:45,390 --> 00:48:43,180
mentioned earlier you

1292
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:45,400
necessarily need to run SEC a sex

1293
00:48:49,890 --> 00:48:47,050
trafficking operation you can just spy

1294
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,900
on someone electronically for example or

1295
00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:51,520
what he was talking about you know and

1296
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,260
as far as Silicon Valley figures that

1297
00:48:56,370 --> 00:48:54,880
was just information about their alleged

1298
00:48:59,760 --> 00:48:56,380
sexual fetishes and their use of

1299
00:49:01,559 --> 00:48:59,770
recreational but illegal drugs right so

1300
00:49:03,329 --> 00:49:01,569
any any of that sort of stuff you can

1301
00:49:05,849 --> 00:49:03,339
put someone's head but what a weird

1302
00:49:08,670 --> 00:49:05,859
thing it would seem to me to say to the

1303
00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:08,680
New York Times when you're trying to

1304
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:11,230
ingratiate yourself into Silicon Valley

1305
00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:16,089
and advise Elon Musk etc and then you're

1306
00:49:21,299 --> 00:49:18,329
quoted as saying I've witnessed

1307
00:49:24,210 --> 00:49:21,309
prominent tech figures taking drugs in

1308
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:24,220
arranging for sex why are you saying

1309
00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:25,690
yeah well you know what's interesting

1310
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:27,190
I'm gonna have a report about this

1311
00:49:34,049 --> 00:49:30,640
tomorrow is that there is a former

1312
00:49:35,609 --> 00:49:34,059
Israeli spy basically who did an

1313
00:49:38,370 --> 00:49:35,619
interview last week where he was talking

1314
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:38,380
about hacking new Epstein and he was

1315
00:49:42,990 --> 00:49:39,970
introduced to Epstein by Robert Maxwell

1316
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:43,000
delay Maxwell's father and he described

1317
00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:45,490
Epstein is not very competent when it

1318
00:49:51,690 --> 00:49:48,700
came to blackmail operations and that

1319
00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:51,700
that that he and and ghilane Maxwell had

1320
00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:53,140
sort of carved out this a niche for

1321
00:49:55,650 --> 00:49:55,000
themselves in terms of a sexual

1322
00:49:58,650 --> 00:49:55,660
blackmail

1323
00:50:01,530 --> 00:49:58,660
so if Epstein tried to go to you know

1324
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:01,540
another route of blackmail perhaps he

1325
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:04,510
you know it's true what this this former

1326
00:50:08,579 --> 00:50:06,730
spy said and that maybe he wasn't really

1327
00:50:12,030 --> 00:50:08,589
as competent as he as he looked like to

1328
00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:12,040
claim or is competent at ingratiating

1329
00:50:16,799 --> 00:50:14,950
himself into a particular community i

1330
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:16,809
mean he you know he probably pretty

1331
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:19,930
clearly was a sex addict sometimes some

1332
00:50:26,609 --> 00:50:22,569
type of a sociopath and he just can't

1333
00:50:29,549 --> 00:50:26,619
help himself in talking about sex when

1334
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:29,559
he's with a New York Times reporter that

1335
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:31,450
that's very possible or he was so used

1336
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,130
to sort of you know trying to brag about

1337
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,200
how powerful he was you know and had

1338
00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:36,880
some sort of like narcissistic an

1339
00:50:41,849 --> 00:50:38,920
element to his personality I'm sure that

1340
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,859
he wanted to sort of um you know promote

1341
00:50:45,569 --> 00:50:43,839
his his importance and how much he knew

1342
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:45,579
and how well-connected he was and how

1343
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:49,210
many people in in this you know sector

1344
00:50:53,329 --> 00:50:50,950
that he was familiar with and how

1345
00:50:55,410 --> 00:50:53,339
intimately he knew them things like that

1346
00:50:56,980 --> 00:50:55,420
another person that interviewed him but

1347
00:50:59,560 --> 00:50:56,990
from the information

1348
00:51:01,870 --> 00:50:59,570
not long after this New York Times

1349
00:51:04,089 --> 00:51:01,880
report came out said that basically when

1350
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:04,099
she interviewed Epstein it was just him

1351
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,810
ranting and raving about all the people

1352
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,760
he knew in Silicon Valley so I think he

1353
00:51:11,790 --> 00:51:09,680
was just um perhaps increasingly

1354
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:11,800
desperate to maintain some sort of

1355
00:51:15,730 --> 00:51:13,970
relevance or some sort of semblance of

1356
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:15,740
the power that he had before his first

1357
00:51:20,349 --> 00:51:17,089
arrest yeah

1358
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:20,359
supposed to rest we really are not don't

1359
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:22,270
know what he was doing as far as

1360
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:25,910
underage girls and whether they were

1361
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:27,890
seen being around him so he was seen

1362
00:51:31,089 --> 00:51:29,210
there were some underage girls that were

1363
00:51:34,990 --> 00:51:31,099
seen entering his apartment as late as

1364
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:35,000
like 2016 or things like that so you

1365
00:51:38,770 --> 00:51:36,650
know it may have continued to some

1366
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:38,780
extent but definitely not the extent it

1367
00:51:44,220 --> 00:51:41,359
was on in the early 2000s what about

1368
00:51:48,190 --> 00:51:44,230
Bill Clinton do you think we're going to

1369
00:51:51,790 --> 00:51:48,200
eventually learn that Clinton himself

1370
00:51:53,650 --> 00:51:51,800
indulged with underage girls via Epstein

1371
00:51:56,020 --> 00:51:53,660
well I think that depends on what

1372
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:56,030
happens to the video evidence and the

1373
00:51:59,290 --> 00:51:57,440
other electronic evidence that was

1374
00:52:01,450 --> 00:51:59,300
stored for the purposes of blackmail by

1375
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,460
Jeffrey Epstein we know that some of

1376
00:52:04,839 --> 00:52:03,440
that presumably wasn't obtained by

1377
00:52:06,430 --> 00:52:04,849
federal investigators but as I said

1378
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,440
earlier now that those charges against

1379
00:52:10,990 --> 00:52:08,480
Epstein have been dismissed none of the

1380
00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:11,000
information will be made public but I

1381
00:52:15,130 --> 00:52:12,710
think it's you know it's definitely

1382
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:15,140
possible that that information could

1383
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:18,530
come to light statute of limitations I

1384
00:52:23,410 --> 00:52:20,450
don't know what it is when it comes to

1385
00:52:26,020 --> 00:52:23,420
essentially statutory rape which is I

1386
00:52:29,740 --> 00:52:26,030
think what you'd be talking about but I

1387
00:52:32,740 --> 00:52:29,750
gotta figure it's a pretty long so if

1388
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:32,750
they've got video evidence of somebody

1389
00:52:37,950 --> 00:52:34,030
with an underage girl

1390
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:37,960
you would think charges would be brought

1391
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:41,839
right but um you know there's a lot of

1392
00:52:45,250 --> 00:52:43,490
other people besides Bill Clinton that

1393
00:52:48,070 --> 00:52:45,260
were presumably entrapped by this

1394
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,080
operation and there's been no no push

1395
00:52:54,730 --> 00:52:50,720
against them either so I think it's um

1396
00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:54,740
well you got it you know you probably

1397
00:53:01,240 --> 00:52:58,970
have to get the person to testify and

1398
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:01,250
there's got to be evidence that she was

1399
00:53:08,770 --> 00:53:05,930
underage so and and you don't hear I

1400
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,780
don't think there's ever been a girl

1401
00:53:13,710 --> 00:53:10,720
that has come out and claimed that

1402
00:53:16,770 --> 00:53:13,720
she had sex with Clinton while she was

1403
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:16,780
underage no some of the people are the

1404
00:53:20,730 --> 00:53:18,910
victims that have said they you know saw

1405
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:20,740
Bill Clinton around they never accused

1406
00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:23,050
him of wrongdoing they just said that he

1407
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:26,700
was present were they were present

1408
00:53:30,930 --> 00:53:28,570
what's your what you're feeling about

1409
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:30,940
Alan Dershowitz because he certainly has

1410
00:53:37,859 --> 00:53:35,770
come out extremely strongly in denying

1411
00:53:39,540 --> 00:53:37,869
the allegations against him and they

1412
00:53:41,820 --> 00:53:39,550
were brought by one of the most

1413
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:41,830
prominent of the girls that have come

1414
00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:45,450
out what's that now Liberty Roberts

1415
00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:46,750
Roberts

1416
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:48,820
I mean she's not the only one a couple

1417
00:53:53,099 --> 00:53:51,040
other have accused him as well so she's

1418
00:53:55,650 --> 00:53:53,109
not the only victim to make that claim

1419
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:55,660
against her she wins um you know as far

1420
00:53:59,550 --> 00:53:57,130
as Dershowitz goes if you look at his

1421
00:54:01,200 --> 00:53:59,560
past history um for example he was a

1422
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:01,210
character witness for a guy that ran a

1423
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:02,890
sexual blackmail operation exploiting

1424
00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:04,720
children of Roy Cohn who I mentioned

1425
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:06,430
earlier in his disbarment hearing Alan

1426
00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:07,690
Dershowitz was one of his character

1427
00:54:11,849 --> 00:54:10,060
witnesses and then if you look what you

1428
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:11,859
know at what Gershowitz was doing well

1429
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,930
before Eckstein was even known to be

1430
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:15,040
involved in this type of activity

1431
00:54:21,210 --> 00:54:18,160
publicly you know he was wrote that very

1432
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:21,220
controversial opinion piece I forgetten

1433
00:54:25,620 --> 00:54:22,930
watch which newspaper where he was

1434
00:54:29,010 --> 00:54:25,630
arguing for the age of consent to be

1435
00:54:31,050 --> 00:54:29,020
lowered to as low as 14 and of course at

1436
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:31,060
the time that Virginia Roberts claims

1437
00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:32,170
that she was engaged

1438
00:54:35,490 --> 00:54:33,849
forced to engage in this activity with

1439
00:54:38,070 --> 00:54:35,500
Dershowitz that that's pretty much I

1440
00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:38,080
think she was 15 at the time and

1441
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:40,150
Dershowitz is claimed if you actually

1442
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:42,730
read that op-ed as the reasoning why the

1443
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:44,650
legal age of consent consent must be

1444
00:54:49,980 --> 00:54:47,920
lowered should be lowered is that girls

1445
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:49,990
are getting their periods earlier and

1446
00:54:55,410 --> 00:54:52,510
earlier and so as a consequence of that

1447
00:54:57,930 --> 00:54:55,420
the age of consent um should be should

1448
00:55:01,650 --> 00:54:57,940
be lowered which i think is um really

1449
00:55:04,140 --> 00:55:01,660
messed up like I mean I guess I could go

1450
00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:04,150
expand on that a little more but I don't

1451
00:55:08,790 --> 00:55:06,280
prefer not to just read the op-ed you

1452
00:55:10,859 --> 00:55:08,800
know for yourself look at the timing I

1453
00:55:12,690 --> 00:55:10,869
think it came out like in the early 2000

1454
00:55:15,630 --> 00:55:12,700
well before that years before Epstein

1455
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:15,640
was arrested the first time and you know

1456
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:17,410
that op-ed coincides with the

1457
00:55:24,059 --> 00:55:19,570
accusations against him it doesn't look

1458
00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:24,069
great yeah well he's a great lawyer and

1459
00:55:29,099 --> 00:55:27,369
he's now the lawyer for himself so he's

1460
00:55:31,949 --> 00:55:29,109
doing a very good job of defending

1461
00:55:34,949 --> 00:55:31,959
himself because I've seen him speak on

1462
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,959
it I also read the James Patterson book

1463
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:36,640
I know if you've read that about Epstein

1464
00:55:41,459 --> 00:55:39,130
and it's got a lot of deposition

1465
00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:41,469
transcripts in it including Dershowitz

1466
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:44,680
is and sir Schwartz comes across very

1467
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,680
compelling in his own defense but as I

1468
00:55:53,759 --> 00:55:50,319
said he's a great lawyer yeah well I

1469
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:53,769
mean he's known for being able to get a

1470
00:56:03,029 --> 00:55:57,660
lot of people off quite famously right

1471
00:56:04,979 --> 00:56:03,039
I've seen right so you're right so you

1472
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:04,989
know I'm sure that guy could argue

1473
00:56:10,259 --> 00:56:07,089
himself out you know of pretty much any

1474
00:56:12,029 --> 00:56:10,269
situation or not um you know that

1475
00:56:13,469 --> 00:56:12,039
doesn't honestly surprise me frankly

1476
00:56:15,449 --> 00:56:13,479
though I do think it's worth pointing

1477
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:15,459
out too that he made a concerted efforts

1478
00:56:21,269 --> 00:56:19,390
to only get you know a partial release

1479
00:56:23,370 --> 00:56:21,279
of these documents that he was pushing

1480
00:56:24,839 --> 00:56:23,380
for with some of the recent charges and

1481
00:56:27,509 --> 00:56:24,849
in the civil cases between Virginia

1482
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:27,519
Roberts and Elaine Maxwell he was

1483
00:56:33,209 --> 00:56:31,359
pushing to have certain documents of

1484
00:56:35,609 --> 00:56:33,219
that made public that would have

1485
00:56:36,930 --> 00:56:35,619
unreleased more names of victims and

1486
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:36,940
things like that in people allege that

1487
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:39,249
he would have been been able to use that

1488
00:56:43,650 --> 00:56:42,130
to intimidate victims of Epstein because

1489
00:56:45,689 --> 00:56:43,660
we know that Alan Dershowitz for example

1490
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:45,699
did hire Louis Freeh the former FBI

1491
00:56:51,299 --> 00:56:49,119
director he then went on to question and

1492
00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:51,309
intimidate some of Epstein's victims in

1493
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:52,809
the role of an ostensible private

1494
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:53,529
investigator

1495
00:56:58,259 --> 00:56:55,930
so Dershowitz has definitely gone on the

1496
00:57:00,239 --> 00:56:58,269
offensive towards a lot of the women

1497
00:57:02,189 --> 00:57:00,249
that have accused him of that that's not

1498
00:57:05,069 --> 00:57:02,199
exactly something you would do if you

1499
00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:05,079
were necessarily you know so convinced

1500
00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:07,150
that your the evidence would prove you

1501
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:09,910
guilt free right so but I don't want to

1502
00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:12,160
keep you too long but let me just hit

1503
00:57:18,059 --> 00:57:13,900
two other individuals real quick before

1504
00:57:21,689 --> 00:57:18,069
we let you go let's start with Kevin

1505
00:57:23,999 --> 00:57:21,699
Spacey some you know it's kind of a

1506
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:24,009
bizarre person to be linked to Epstein

1507
00:57:30,779 --> 00:57:27,910
because he's not in politics or in

1508
00:57:32,969 --> 00:57:30,789
business so what do you know about the

1509
00:57:35,549 --> 00:57:32,979
link between Spacey and him he flew with

1510
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:35,559
him to Africa on the flight that I think

1511
00:57:39,930 --> 00:57:37,450
Clinton went on right right

1512
00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:39,940
and Chris Tucker and I believe Ron

1513
00:57:44,609 --> 00:57:42,790
Burkle was also on that on that flight I

1514
00:57:46,770 --> 00:57:44,619
think it's interesting considering that

1515
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:46,780
this was years before the accusations

1516
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:49,810
about Spacey were made public that he

1517
00:57:57,300 --> 00:57:53,440
was accused of raping underage underaged

1518
00:57:57,900 --> 00:57:57,310
people as well and all underage underage

1519
00:58:00,839 --> 00:57:57,910
males

1520
00:58:03,870 --> 00:58:00,849
man sorry yeah and he was on some of

1521
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:03,880
those accusers have you know died some

1522
00:58:06,540 --> 00:58:04,960
people would say under mysterious

1523
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:06,550
circumstances I think there was one that

1524
00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:08,710
died just recently and the the cause of

1525
00:58:15,390 --> 00:58:12,630
death still hasn't been disclosed so

1526
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,400
yeah and all the sex trafficking that we

1527
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:17,440
believe Epstein did is there any

1528
00:58:23,339 --> 00:58:19,690
evidence or assertion that he also

1529
00:58:25,290 --> 00:58:23,349
trafficked in boys um I've seen

1530
00:58:27,060 --> 00:58:25,300
specifically now but as I mentioned

1531
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:27,070
earlier Epstein is a part of a network

1532
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:29,530
and there are a lot of people that did

1533
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:30,160
this before

1534
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:31,930
Epstein connected do a lot of the same

1535
00:58:36,569 --> 00:58:35,200
figures and intelligence agencies as it

1536
00:58:38,579 --> 00:58:36,579
were that we're very involved in

1537
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:38,589
trafficking underage boys specifically

1538
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,450
so I mentioned earlier that Epstein

1539
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:42,640
there are clear connections between a

1540
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,079
lot of the network that he was

1541
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:46,480
positioned in - for example the Craig

1542
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:49,450
Spence cowboy ring and that involved

1543
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:51,310
underage boys the Franklin scandal as

1544
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:53,530
well connected to some of these same

1545
00:58:59,339 --> 00:58:56,770
individuals that was also involved under

1546
00:59:01,050 --> 00:58:59,349
eight mainly underaged boys and of

1547
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:01,060
course Roy Cohn as well who I mentioned

1548
00:59:04,770 --> 00:59:02,770
earlier that also was specifically

1549
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:04,780
underage boys I would say that during

1550
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:06,310
that the same time period that all of

1551
00:59:10,290 --> 00:59:07,510
those rings were going on there was

1552
00:59:12,089 --> 00:59:10,300
someone doing the same um for underage

1553
00:59:13,620 --> 00:59:12,099
girls so I think you know parallel to

1554
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:13,630
what Epstein was doing there was someone

1555
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:15,730
doing the same sort of activity for the

1556
00:59:20,670 --> 00:59:18,329
same forces that was using underage boys

1557
00:59:22,859 --> 00:59:20,680
so bottom line you think it's possible

1558
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:22,869
that the connection between Stacey and

1559
00:59:28,410 --> 00:59:24,880
Epstein was that Epstein had connected

1560
00:59:30,809 --> 00:59:28,420
him with underage boys well you know I I

1561
00:59:32,819 --> 00:59:30,819
think it's possible but I'm not you know

1562
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:32,829
I haven't really looked in in depth to

1563
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:34,960
the the space t Epstein connection all I

1564
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:36,910
really seen is like he was on that very

1565
00:59:42,750 --> 00:59:39,609
now very infamous plane ride that had

1566
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:42,760
been organized months in advance by Doug

1567
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:44,710
band on behalf of Bill Clinton and that

1568
00:59:48,540 --> 00:59:46,210
Bill Clinton wanted Epstein's jet

1569
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,550
specifically for that trip out of all

1570
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:50,799
the possible planes to chew

1571
00:59:54,929 --> 00:59:53,650
from in the United States so I think you

1572
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:54,939
know that definitely is troubling

1573
00:59:57,660 --> 00:59:56,170
especially considering what we know

1574
00:59:59,009 --> 00:59:57,670
about what Epstein was involved in and

1575
01:00:02,609 --> 00:59:59,019
that there were people like Ron Burkle

1576
01:00:06,509 --> 01:00:02,619
for example who is known to solicit the

1577
01:00:08,489 --> 01:00:06,519
services of of people for for sex and a

1578
01:00:10,949 --> 01:00:08,499
somewhat controversial in that capacity

1579
01:00:13,439 --> 01:00:10,959
as you know and what we know about

1580
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:13,449
Spacey what he's been accused of now you

1581
01:00:18,269 --> 01:00:15,609
know these sort of networks you know

1582
01:00:21,630 --> 01:00:18,279
when you get up into the higher levels

1583
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:21,640
of power you know they do exist and it's

1584
01:00:25,319 --> 01:00:24,130
it's not unreasonable to think that they

1585
01:00:26,910 --> 01:00:25,329
you know I think it's quite reasonable

1586
01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:26,920
to think that they're interconnected to

1587
01:00:30,359 --> 01:00:28,390
an extent where that could have happened

1588
01:00:32,429 --> 01:00:30,369
but I'm not going to say that I think

1589
01:00:35,009 --> 01:00:32,439
that a hundred percent is what the

1590
01:00:37,620 --> 01:00:35,019
connection was okay and the last one is

1591
01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:37,630
is George Mitchell because he would kind

1592
01:00:43,380 --> 01:00:39,729
of be the last person that anybody would

1593
01:00:46,499 --> 01:00:43,390
suspect to be tied in with underage

1594
01:00:49,529 --> 01:00:46,509
girls I guess unless you knew him better

1595
01:00:52,939 --> 01:00:49,539
but what's his connection to Epstein and

1596
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:52,949
and do you believe that he was indulging

1597
01:00:58,380 --> 01:00:56,319
um he was accused of them and that

1598
01:01:00,299 --> 01:00:58,390
recent document dump that preceded

1599
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:00,309
Epstein's death by by a day that also

1600
01:01:05,279 --> 01:01:03,089
named Bill Richardson and some other

1601
01:01:07,410 --> 01:01:05,289
individuals in connection with that you

1602
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:07,420
know it's hard to know exactly the

1603
01:01:13,289 --> 01:01:11,650
extent of his you know in full

1604
01:01:14,669 --> 01:01:13,299
involvement but I think you know what

1605
01:01:17,429 --> 01:01:14,679
happens even if someone wanted they

1606
01:01:19,469 --> 01:01:17,439
expect the sort of thing to happen you

1607
01:01:21,299 --> 01:01:19,479
know or someone bakes on their public

1608
01:01:22,769 --> 01:01:21,309
persona to be involved in that remember

1609
01:01:24,419 --> 01:01:22,779
all of this stuff goes on behind closed

1610
01:01:26,339 --> 01:01:24,429
doors and if they entrap you the first

1611
01:01:29,249 --> 01:01:26,349
time and you know they have leverage on

1612
01:01:30,779 --> 01:01:29,259
you you know in the past with these type

1613
01:01:32,609 --> 01:01:30,789
of operations we've seen people sort of

1614
01:01:34,949 --> 01:01:32,619
end up embracing this sort of activity

1615
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,959
knowing they've been compromised and it

1616
01:01:37,859 --> 01:01:36,400
can't get any worse than it already is